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As long as we have a Minecraft server, here's a place to talk about it.

There is!

16:30

It is called a "cobblestone generator".

I'm already done with the first floor and I have the second floor keep and bedroom nearly done wall wise (edited)

16:31

Just put a lava ourceblock and a water source near other but their streams not touching the sources yes? (edited)

I think so.

flowing water and flowing lava => cobble

In modded, it would be an "igneous extruder", "cobblestone generator [but as a single block]" or "cobblestone generator [but with automatic block breaker", which are cooler.

flowing water and source lava => obsidian

16:32

source water and flowing lava => stone

For some reason I have a surplus of polished graphite as well

16:33

Why is graphite/andesite/diorite even in the game, their polished versions' don't even add much to medieval builds DX

to break up the monotony of mining, I guess

Granite not graphite

Granite

hm

23:48

before I sleep:

23:49

I hereby humbly propose a PvP challenge. You will need a slimesling and slime boots, as the name of the game is aerial mobility, but everything else is fair game. (Tinkers melee and ranged weapons recommended.)

23:49

I know myself and @0111narwhalz are interesteed, just wondering who else might be.

23:49

and bedtime

…Server may have gone down?

03:59

I might've been overzealous in my exploration.

@TotallyNotHuman Psi is hilariously overpowered for PvP.

What does Psi do?

hmm, yeah, perhaps Psi should be forbidden.

11:09

(but then @0111narwhalz would complain vigorously)

Random PSIDeas has gauss rifles which are meant to even the odds

11:10

@Tassadar Programmable spells, basically.

A creative-backed version would have players equipped with end-rod arrows/bolts.

11:13

I've been told those have nil travel time, which is neat :V

interesting

11:29

Are fir trees == spruce trees to RF?

11:30

Because a spruce tree produces twice as much resin.

Okay, if you can find a sapling, I'll swap out the tree.

There are saplings in the AE2 net.

13:05

I brought some back when I went logging for my unremarkable spruce eyesore building (as @0111narwhalz puts it).

Ah, good.

13:05

It seems that the new AE2 system is overloading our power supply a bit, so this will help.

Yeah, we're running a deficit even with dynamos hooked back up to the cell.

Would anyone be interested in a power grid thing?

14:59

Also, we have a mod allowing you to power IC2 stuff off RF and vice versa, I just noticed.

I would be interested in such. How do i get a meter? :P

There's no mod for that installed, so we would just wire the local networks together and hope nobody draws too much.

Doesn't TE have a multimeter tool to inspect the power network?

Yes, it does.

17:22

That doesn't really let you restrict or measure power draw, though.

17:22

Well, you can measure it, by rightclicking a duct.

Oh, you mean that kind of meter.

17:24

You can restrict draw by passing it through a power cell.

Yeah, local distribution systems with basic cells (1kRF/t) so's you don't overdraw the main buffer.

I imagine if we ended up trying to actually charge each other for power use it would get annoyingly complicated.

Kind of problematic when 1) anyone can mint coins and 2) it takes power to mint coins, with which you pay for power :V

inb4 central powerplant runs on numismatic dynamos

~~Also that sounds suspiciously capitalist. Death to the bourgeouisie!~~

In this modpack coins have intrinsic value.

17:30

Just put them in a numismatic dynamo for some amount of power dependent on material.

Yeah, kind of defeats the purpose of charging for power, eh?

17:31

Especially because we're probably using nuclear.

Turns out nuclear is very cheap in this.

Anyways, I've made a basic 2M buffer/distribution station for the future nuclear power plant.

Central generating plant still has advantages in that power draw is balanced between all users instead of each user needing to build for their own peak loads.

I made some tough alloy, a needed component of it.

I'll see what I can do for the plant before I have to head off ~10m.

For peak load, at least, we can use unrealistically dense buffers.

17:33

And unrealistically autoregulating generators.

17:34

I was thinking about designing tunnels which we can also run rails and, say, water lines in.

Do we have any power lines that won't look immeasurably terrible if run aboveground?

Not really.

17:34

We could put fluxducts on poles or something.

I'm just going to build some parts for the entry level reactor as shown on FTB::wiki.

That falls under "immeasurably terrible" in my books V:

We can upscale later if need be :V

I have a few miscellaneous platings if you want them.

17:35

(from loot)

I know a decent amount about NC reactor design, but focus on the "horrendously oversized" sort.

17:35

For 1000% efficiency, which is good.

Ugh, we need a bloody alloy furnace too :V

Do we?

[displeased gurgling]

Tough alloy is smelteryable.

17:36

I made half a stack.

It's for MgB₂, which is needed in the nuclear furnace, which is ultimately needed in the fission controller.

Oh, we have some spare solenoids.

ah, excellent

17:36

alas, I must now head to dinner :V

@gollark i support building some tunnels for underground infrastructure. We have a TBM after all :p

hm

18:27

Has the great world near-fuckup fixed things?

18:27

Coal used to take ages to melt in the smeltery.

18:27

And irontanks would display 32 buckets regardless of actual capacity.

18:29

--

18:29

Behold!

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I was noting that Iron tanks seem to be pretty buggered in displaying capacity

It seems to be fixed now. Your creosote tank has ~700b capacity and the bigger tank around ~2.2kb.

hussah~

The Ten-Meter Island Nuclear Power Plant has been constructed.

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oooh. looks nice

I've decided against starting it up for the time being.

22:11

The main flux cell (18M) is still full, and the dynamos are doing a good enough job :V

22:12

I don't think anything needs 2.24 kRF/t.

Silverfish only spawn around Strongholds right?

In Vanilla, yes.

00:06

(I think)

I've started a book for the ender tank registry. It's the first book on the bottom center shelf in the library. (edited)

01:37

Please refer to it before installing new ender tanks.

I'll make some sort of control system for the reactor to turn it on when needed, and make fuel production.

Also there's one for ender chest channels now.

02:25

And one more for reference in case anyone gets confused.

02:25

(I'm using three-letter codes for owners.)

02:25

(If you want a specific code, either tell me now or edit the book later.)

02:27

The ones I have so far are thus:

COM Common
NAR Narwhalz
TNH TotallyNotHuman / Concordius
XVR Xveers
GOL gollark

02:28

@gollark @Xveers

Looks good to me so far

The ender tank registry currently possesses exactly one entry: EEE COM Lava

02:29

Lava, common, on red-red-red.

02:30

There's a pump set up on the lava sea in the nether, chunkloaded.

02:31

(it would be nice if books were easier to edit)

02:31

Ender chest registry is currently empty.

02:32

I might try to make some kind of CC thing with screens or whatever, but I'm not that good at Lua so don't count on it :V

02:34

Lava pump capacity is limited, so don't be surprised if you find that you need to expand it fairly soon.

I can fiddle with my program for managing P2P tunnels for this.

02:39

The plant is, though, I must say, a bit far from anywhere where it might be used or where fuel could be produced.

and yet still close for explosions

No, Nuclearcraft stuff won't explode, only melt into corium.

ah okay

Hmm, I wonder if requesters et al work on fluiducts.

Yep.

05:47

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uhoh

05:48

mixed fluid networks here I come

05:50

I plan on using crafters for fluid alloying.

05:50

Can you set ratios in a sensible way with fluids?

05:53

If not, it's no big deal—I'll just have to barrel them instead.

If the ratio matches the different per-tick rates of two different levels of retriever, yeah.

05:54

I haven't really bothered, myself. Plenty of resources around, so I just let 'em run to keep th tanks topped off.

Hmm…

05:56

I think the system might just work better with barreling—I don't trust mixed fluid systems after my Factorio experience.

05:56

I'm not entirely sure even intelligent logistics could make up for it.

06:02

Next project after the foundry is a mining turtle which uses Ender Storage to function entirely autonomously, dropping stuff in the magic box and drinking lava out of the magic jar.

06:04

(wonder if turtles can wield enchanted or even Tinker's tools)

06:04

(because that would be excellent)

are you guys using MultiMC to load your pack?

I used mcdex to load it initially, but I've since dumped the zip in without regard for the manifest.

06:37

(short: no)

Oh, are you somehow using it just with the Minecraft launcher itself?

Yeah.

(I've only used Technic before, and attempting to use Twitch Launcher is making me stop wanting to play Minecraft)

Yeah, I tried to play some pack or another that came on the Twitch/Curse launcher.

06:39

I didn't play it for very long.

have a link handy for how to load packs with base Minecraft? I'm apparently using all the wrong search terms

Check the pins—gollark's repo has a straightforward readme.

06:41

Note that I'm pretty sure you need to select a particular version of Forge.

06:42

But you can do that by installing Forge afterwards, and then selecting it in the launch options tab for the pack in the launcher.

06:43

(that's Launch Options > [whatever you name the pack] > Minecraft Version, I think)

06:44

I used the latest experimental as of a couple days ago—the version of e.g. Railcraft installed doesn't like Forge::stable.

aha, so I need Forge!

mcdex can install Forge for you

06:45

You just have to fiddle with its input arguments.

It's more that Forge was the missing piece of the puzzle

ah, yes

or the bit of assumed knowledge that I did not know and was not using as a keyword

Some would call it the keystone of the arch.

Okay, I feel less of an idiot now

Oh!

06:46

Do make sure you're using Java 8, specifically.

I'm not entirely convinced if I want to join the server - the last time I was on a server I was semi-responsible for the infamous Raptor Incident - but I want to play some solo quest packs without bloody Twitch

(my system kept selecting 11 even when specifically told not to, so I had to drop in a sneaky symlink)

06:47

Ah, the FTB launcher works just fine for that kind of thing.

aren't they the same thing?

Raptor Incident? Please, do tell! (edited)

(though I am… intrigued as to how you instigated the Velocirapture)

06:48

No, the FTB launcher—the one pre-Twitchcurse—is still around.

Okay, so this was in the height of the Tekkit pack days, so my friends had a slightly adjusted pack of that plus a few mods we liked. One of which was called 'Fossil + Archeology'. You could find fossil 'ores', build machines to analyse them and extra DNA fragments, and then more machines to clean up the DNA and turn them into eggs, which you could hatch to make dinosaur mobs.

06:49

And if you tamed them as babies they were loyal as adults.

feed-the-beast.com

06:49

^ old good launcher

What was supposed to happen was that offspring would retain the tameness stats of their parents. But there was a bug and some species wouldn't. Raptors were one.

my reading of XKCD has taught me well

Raptors are my favourite dinos, so I made a pen and tamed some. And they turned out to breed really well with my set up. And I'd pick my favourites and tame them, and let the rest sit in a secondary pen (breeding more) until I needed to level up a different dino/get some meat and I'd farm them. Improvised low tech mob farm, basically.

06:52

Others on the server were having fun with building massive TNT canons and trying to build impenetrable bases etc. I wanted no part so was mostly left alone, but one evening a couple of people decided to go mess up part of my base.

06:53

They broke thru the Suspiciously High outer wall. (Apparently they were just planning stuff like grafiti with coloured wool dicks and other mostly harmless pranks, not mass destruction.)

ahh, the classics

@Enderminion they can also randomly spawn rarely in normal chunks as well

...they broke into the main raptor containment area. And were suddenly faced with about 20 raptors who auto aggroed onto them

Oh dear...

It's their own fault, really V:

Did the raptors escape?

As they were NOT kitted out like they were about to fight the Ender Dragon, this had predictable amounts of screaming, running, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY CAN JUMP?!?!?", and general panic.

See, now that's the sort of thing that would definitely make me invite you to my server.

Yes, I spent the next few days in-game running about with my pet t-rex mopping up the wild raptor pack

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06:56

et cetera

and getting told "no that is NOT how base defence is supposed to work!" "Why not? It seemed rather effective to me"

"it's not base defense if the walls were there to keep the danger in"

This sounds like the shenanigans from my school’s server

Ah, yes, base defense requires that it not work, otherwise it's not fun for the griefers.

Kids, never drink and Minecraft.

I was under the impression that that was the best time to Minecraft.

06:59

(from what I've seen it's the best time to Kerbal)

Not when you’re trying to get corporate sponsors it’s not

I mean, the ones who were in an arms race to see who could make the best walls vs the best explosions to destroy the walls were having good mutual fun. I just don't like noncon destruction

Yeah, the worst griefing we did was mining out the blocks underneath one guy’s house after he left our faction for the rival one

That said, I ran across one story yesterday that might have taken defense a little bit too far.

I also was the one doing odd things like building giant obelisks of cobble, because why not. And then ended up making one over every train station because it was a nice marker

I mean, it's one thing to surround your base with a redstone wire grid to trigger alarms and armed response whenever someone breaks any of your walls.

07:02

But it may be another thing when that armed response consists of the giant hydrogen bomb you built your base around.

oh

Well. Unless it's a decoy base

is this the atomic kind of hydrogen bomb or the thermobaric kind

And it's another thing entirely when you built an atomic weapon mass-production line, buried the results near everyone else's base for MAD purposes along with most of the rest of the nearby landscape, and then hooked them all up to that alarm system.

I think it's the Minecraft "we needed a name for the bigger boom" kind

07:03

...

07:03

okay yes that is taking arseholery to new levels.

07:03

especially when mobs can trip those things

(Apparently one of the atomic power mods includes the ability to make atomic weapons, complete with mushroom clouds and lingering radiation.)

"What's the point of a doomsday device if nobody knows about it?" et cetera

MAD only works if you tell everybody first

So, when another player did decide to break into his bunker... well, sixty seconds later, everyone was playing Fallout: Minecraft.

"go punch trees" "there are no trees, only ash"

07:05

I feel like it's maybe not that hard to disarm that kind of thing in Minecraft?

07:06

Obviously you have to know about it.

hm. Upon further poking, I see that I am going to have to get over my "command line doesn't feel right on Windows" discomfort

Yeah, but you have to know how it works, too. Who knows but what cutting the red wire isn't designed to set the whole thing off?

Well, for one, you can see what the state of the red wire is.

07:07

Unless you got clever with synchronized clocks or something like that.

I mean, who builds a doomsday device without an anti-tamper device. And then an anti-anti-tamper-tamper-device.

07:09

Depends on if you paint the wires, if that mod lets you do that. And if you use SimpleLogic and ComplexLogic, you can be pretty damn devious about what you send down 'em.

07:09

On another note...

07:09

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ah, we're not talking vanilla-style then

...in this morning's construction, I think you'll see that I'm a man of great refinement. rimshot

gek

idk why my quarry found a chest and two torches

I've basically finished my mountaintop chateau

@Enderminion you hit an abandoned mineshaft most likely (edited)

do quarries not pick up dropped items?

no, I found one of my mineshafts

…oh.

11:18

Well.

11:18

V:

I was thinking that putting the reactor on Ten Metre Island might be a bad idea, since power cables which can transfer the 2kRF/t output of it are slightly expensive (invar) and we'd need to run itemducts for fuel over too.

Also, for doomsday device antitampering CC can be quite helpful. Especially Plethora and its entity sensor - you can detect unauthorized players at range.

11:29

@Morgrim Moon I also have a ZIP version of the modpack which you can just extract into the mods folder.

To be fair, I put the reactor there in case I fuck things up :V

11:30

I hadn't considered its output rate.

They're not that dangerous.

Can you run two leadstone fluxducts in parallel to output 2kRF/t?

11:30

And then route it into a higher-end cell or something.

Yes, but they have weirdness.

11:31

It's actually 1kRF/t per terminal pair.

11:31

Er, per terminal, not pair.

11:32

So if you feed the reactor output straight into a cell and make the cell output into three fluxducts, you could have the actual long range wiring carry all the power, but each machine would only receive 1kRF/t max unless you have a bunch of connections on that machine. (edited)

No, I was thinking we route reactor power through two leadstone FDs into a hardened energy cell (8M, 4k/t).

11:32

Then you have >2kRF/t native.

For wiring from the reactor to cells, we can afford most things.

11:33

Unless you make the reactor building very big.

11:34

Anyway, we can probably just run some itemducts in the planned power cabling tunnels, so it's not too problematic.

yeah

11:35

I'm thinking F I F for the cabling tunnels, where F is a leadstone fluxduct and I is the fuel itemduct.

11:35

There's air between the ducts to allow passage/maintenance/what-have-you.

11:36

Closer to the compound, the fluxducts go into a buffer.

We don't actually need paired fluxducts, due to that quirk of their transfer rates. I think.

No?

11:37

I thought leadstone pulls 1kRF/t only, which would mean ~1.2kRF/t buildup in the reactor's internal buffer.

Yes, but we can put a cell directly on its output ports (or use expensive cables to connect to one) and drain from multiple sides of that.

11:38

My idea for the tunnels was that they would be maybe 5x3 and we could just pack in cables as needed, plus an electric railway.

ah, okay

Or later viaducts. They're very fun. Basically people tubes.

my new quarry has added safety features, cobble to stand on and its in a river

12:00

I fell in my old quarry twice

What are you using to do the mining?

Buildcraft

If you need stone bricks or slag, I made this nice automatic system for them.

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nice

16:32

Also, dunno if you heard, but @0111narwhalz and myself are planning on issuing checks (written books, signed to ensure authenticity) for debts owed.

I see.

Figured it might liven up the economy a bit, if we need things for our own ventures.

Economies tend to fail in modded, though, since everyone can mass-produce everything.

Less of checks and more of notes with defined denominations, for inventory management reasons.

Also since autotrading is hard.

Have you tested the duplication thing yet, Narwhalz?

nah

16:34

This is more for exchanging services, really.

Since bills are somewhat useless if any schmuck with Biblio machines can duplicate them.

Goods being mostly pretty cheap :V

We could use CC and cryptography.

16:34

Digitally sign the notes, sort of thing.

16:34

Also, I've begun digging out the tunnels, though currently due to a lack of turtles I'm doing it manually, so it's not going too fast.

However, things that take a lot of infra to build might be viable trade goods.

The tunnels to Ten Meter Island?

Like mob drops from spawners—ender pearls and such.

Yes, though it only goes to your house right now.

heh

I think for most things the infrastructure is only really necessary for bulk production, so we would need to automate this somehow.

"I want three stacks of ender pearls"

16:36

Ender pearls are a pain to get normally, until we exploit the end, but once you set up a mob spawner you can produce them fairly cheaply.

16:37

However, there's no real reason for everyone to build an enderman spawner.

[spawner search intensifies]

So we would then either just share resources freely or set up autotrading for some other good?

16:37

There are no enderman spawners, you know.

16:37

Only the End.

16:37

Which spawns endermen.

Something like that, yeah.

yeah, but for other mobs :V

Or you buy a bunch of ender pearls for the project you need ender pearls for.

I think blaze spawners spawn in the Nether?

We had two spawners right near the main base thing, actually.

16:38

In that weird burrow./

In nether fortresses or w/e.

It would be slightly cheaty, but I can readd those.

We also have RFTools spawners.

What happened to them? V:

16:38

yeah, but RFtools spawners need resource in, no?

They're a whole thing to build and maintain, but I've been working them out.

Yes, but not that much.

16:39

You feed in some of that mob's drops, and biomass.

I intend to provide biomass from a chicken farm.

I intend to hook up my slag production line to some other random components and phytogro stuff.

Endermen are pretty easy to get closed-loop.

Oh seriously? My inventory randomly got reset?

Blazes are a bit more of a pain—you need netherrack, and I haven't yet looked at the recipes for that.

I really need to figure out some way around this general bugginess issue.

I noticed some logspam about "invalid update packets" and "null tile entities" relating to NuclearCraft getting angry with some of the Railcraft tanks.

I'm reverting my player data to the backup from yesterday when I accidentally broke it all and manually cheating in lost stuff in creative, I guess.

Also, not sure if it's a bug, but coal and derivative products basically instamelt now.

16:43

Feels like world bugginess.

You mean, they make furnaces run faster?

No, in the smeltery.

Oh, I think they always did that.

(I bloody well wish they did :V)

Nah, they used to take a long time.

16:44

It may be that they were bugged before :V

yeah but now JEI says it has a "melting point" of 0°C

I have now turned it on and off again.

but then again an iron ingot has a melting point of 271°C so

16:45

Minecraft physics are weird.

oh yeah and if you put diamonds in a block their melting point goes up

16:46

clearly physical properties are an extrinsic property

I think it's not a "melting point" per se, but rather a function of how long it takes to melt in the smeltery.

yes

(wonder if you can use blazing pyrotheum as smeltery fuel?)

But "melting point" is a close enough concept that they use that.

You can, I think.

16:49

I'm going to start taking more backups. Having to manually de-revert my inventory is annoying.

hm

16:54

I might host a gladiator arena server for the slimesling PvP thing I talked about :V

I'm imagining a bunch of ridiculous psionic combat spells already!

16:55

Okay then, backups every 30 minutes now, yay.

How much memory is the server running on?

16:58

I need to figure out how many cycles I should buy from Google.

3.5GB presently.

16:59

It runs on an actual dedicated server at home, so I can theoretically add more, but eh.

17:01

Cloud platforms don't tend to provide lots of RAM cheaply, unfortunately.

I'd host it on dedicated but I don't have the hardware.

17:07

My laptop has 16 GB of memory but it's not always on, obviously.

17:09

hm

17:09

$25/mo from Google.

That's less bad than I expected, but over two months that adds up to the cost of a new 8GB of RAM for my dedicated server.

17:10

(It still uses DDR3)

yeah

17:11

I run a webserver (and formerly also an IRC bouncer) on a free tier Google cloud VM, so I only get charged like a quarter a month.

They seem to have services favoring compute over RAM, and also just generally awful prices.

Thing has fuck-all memory, though, so it would be wholly inappropriate for hosting a Minecraft server V:

I briefly ran some stuff on OVH, who seem to be a bit cheaper, but it's really hard to get sanely priced MC server hosting.

I tried registering for Linode to check out the prices but it wanted "additional verification"

(edited)

If they won't immediately just offer the prices, it's not worth checking.

fair enough

hmm

18:34

Enstabulating an enderman morb doesn't give good enough drop chances on ender pearls to close the loop.

18:35

So it looks like I'll have to use an autonomous activator to kill them the hard way.

One enderman in the enstabulator yields .5 ender pearls; one ender pearl yields one end stone; one enderman requires .5 end stone plus .1 ender pearl.

18:51

So I definitely need to kill them a better way.

/r/nocontext

My cleaver gets much better drop rates.

Time to ezploti thenend :V

18:54

(skrry, fingers are frozne and maybtake yime to thaw)

V:

18:55

hm

18:55

Did TE remove the autonomous activator?

An rnderman farm in the End yields basically infinite XP and lots of ender pearls :V

yeah but you need ender pearls to find the end

I got to level 40 on a friend's vanilla server. (edited)

18:56

Can your cleager instagib endermen?;™v

Nah, it doesn't actually hit very hard.

18:56

Three hits, usually? V:

hm

18:57

I want to insta- to minimize aggro and tandom releportation.

You could just add a component that prevents teleportation.

18:58

I think probably end stone?

see above when you literally said you need ender pearls to get to the End

18:58

and thus grtting end sotne :V

false

18:59

just need ender pearls and sand

yeah that'd require me to get the enderpearl first

19:01

unless you have one I can trade for :V

yup

@TotallyNotHuman are you suffering frostbite

19:03

if you are get medeciale attenshun

possibly

But I'll need to run a few more loops of my spawner.

Nahz , I'? fine now.

19:04

it geels tingly :V

whoof, the enstabulation apparatus is expensive

19:07

two diamond swords

ooh

19:24

You can enstabulate baby chickens and still get drops.

19:24

Truly a victory for the forces of good!

Note: Filled morbs do not stack, even if they contain the same kind of mob.

Feathers, cheaper than dirt! :V

20:12

(seriously if you need feathers I won't even charge)

20:18

huh, looks like Charset comparators can't read inventories

So what are our fake player options?

Turtles, for one.

01:35

Also, there's an augment which increases secondary loot chance.

Guessing the modpack has updated?

Probably. Did I forget to update the zip?

I didn't check. Was looking to pop on for a few minutes last night. Saw I got a mod mismatch

#1 Cause of death: I fell in a hole

On a different server I play on, mine was crashing into buildings at stupidly high speeds due to magically boosted elytra flight.

A tunnel. This will hold power lines, itemducts, and maybe eventually electric rail.

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Going to need to move it down a block.

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...yeah, that might be a problem

nah

13:49

just layer on some more dirt on top

i will definitely join the server once i get my computer with minecraft on it back

13:51

wait a minute

13:51

>checks modpack again

13:52

>still no Advanced Rocketry

13:52

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@Enderminion I would but there's a farm which would need moving.

Are those the carrot/potato farms perchance?

14:00

Just move them if you see fit, I don't really mind.

It would also expose the stone brick roof to the surface.

14:07

... right, the dirt, silly me.

14:10

Oh, this is really cool, Random PSIDeas has a thing which allows me to move my camera position.

I figured out a terrible, terrible (in the sense of being slightly cheaty) way to get diamonds: 1. hook up slag production to thermal centrifuge (there's a 1 slag -> tiny gold dust + 5 coal dust recipe) 2. feed coal to compactor (makes compressed coal balls; without this it would need flint, but that's easy too) 3. compress the coal ball into a ... compressed coal ball 4. compress the compressed coal balls into a coal chunk (usually this would require obsidian, iron or bricks, but the compactor skips that too - obsidian is automateable easily but with large power input, though) 5. compress coal chunk into diamond

14:38

Given that our slag production makes about one per ten seconds (probably less), and 12.8 units of 5 coal would be needed for 1 diamond, we could get one diamond every two minutes or so.

14:39

Thoughts? Is this too cheaty?

You're still having diamond scarcity issues?

Yes.

I dug up a massive tunnel at y=11 and found more diamonds than I did lapis.

14:41

Bloody thing's damn near impossible to get.

I got 4 diamonds one time, then the TBM ran out of fuel and I left.

14:41

Oh, we have lapis issues too, it's why the slag machine is so slow.

Yeah, I think the last of our lapis was spent on the TMI plant.

14:45

I'm hoping we can get the infrastructure operational soon so it's not a paperweight.

TMI plant?

Ten Metre Island, right?

Aaah

aye

I'm still digging out the tunnels, but once that's done wiring them should be easy enough.

Yeah.

14:48

Might I recommend a fluxbore? It's well worth the investment IMO. I could lend you mine.

14:48

Digs 1x2 or 3x3 tunnels.

I'm hoping to get online tonight and get to work

14:49

Also glad the tbm has been of some value

That's a good idea. I shall craft one.

Flux capacitor is also a worthwhile investment, but I generally find that my inventory fills up before the power runs out.

14:50

Note that the bore needs to be hardened (invar woo) to dig 3x3, but once you have it you're a one-man electric TBM.

Ah. Invar

It's not actually much of a problem.

14:51

I ran loads of iron ore through the pulverizer. Now we have nickel. QED.

Nice

Thanks for the fluxbore idea. This is much easier, and I have wireless charging.

Anyone know a way to void water I pick up?

16:16

Should I move the tunnel down and un-ruin this lake or leave it as is?

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16:16

(no I can't make aesthetic decisions myself)

plug the leak

Fill in the lake

cover it in grass

It is also beginning to encroach on some land which slopes downward a bit, so I suppose I'll just make it go downward.

mmm... TBM goodness

Saltire stronk

So I note that while we have RFTools installed, we seem to lack the RFTools dimension stuff. Is this deliberate?

03:59

(also, Tronzoid: who and/or what is "saltire" and why do you keep touting their strength?)

Saltire is a nation I own on SwitchCraft

hm

08:12

@gollark How about signalum-plated itemducts? We consolidate the ducting that way, and signalum is pretty easy to make with the amount of destabilized clathrate we have laying around.

08:13

Also they transfer 4 kRF/t.

Why not just run hardened fluxducts plus regular ducts?

11:52

@0111narwhalz I can add it if you want.

I thought we wanted to match reactor output in the fluxducts.

12:20

Also signalum is comparatively easier to make than invar, imo.

We do want to match reactor output, yes, and hardened ones can do that.

12:27

I was going to disagree on the signalum thing, but with the smeltery, you're right, actually.

hm

12:31

We would still need a crucible to melt the clathrate, but we should come out with more signalum than invar in the end.

12:32

On the other hand, I think we're going to have an additional buffer connected to the reactor, so separation of item and flux ducting would probably be more appropriate.

Probably. If the price difference was huge I could split them off at the end, but it's not.

12:33

Separating them means we can upgrade to redstone fluxducts later too.

12:33

And impulse itemducts.

Turtles: best thing ever, or are you tragically wrong?

I would use them, but: - the fuel consumption would be awful on digging these 4x3 tunnels then walling the edges - they need a diamond pickaxe

Whenever I program turtles to follow me around to give me extra inventory space

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I generally just carry some sort of personal ender chest for that.

yeah, but that only has one chest of storage space

You can put shulker boxes or satchels in it.

...fair enough

Or portable cells.

13:19

So many options.

Yeah, but dedicated mining turtles need one diamond pickaxe ever.

Or a compact machine containing an entire compactified quantum ring to your base's AE2 net.

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Also OC drones, which can fly.

And coke keeps them going for a damn long time, I find. 320 fu vs. 80 for coal.

comrades, you think too small

I think I could charge them off RF really inefficiently.

use antimatter to fuel turtle

13:20

is genius idea

(Me, I'm using a Practical Logistics wireless terminal hooked up to my AE2 net. Advantage: the PL wireless terminal has indefinite range.)

turtle destroys entire base when fuel runs out

13:21

Does the PL one still support autocrafting?

that's what I meant by AE2 wireless terminal

13:21

Yes yes it does

13:21

It has all the normal functions

13:21

I think it might even do pattern encoding

Wow.

I haven't seen those functions on mine, I should say. So it's not a perfect solution, but it's great for sending stuff back home to let the automation get to work on it.

I will eventually get on the server once I get the time

13:22

@Overmind they were on it last time i checked

13:23

My question is:

For only sending stuff home, we have ender pouches, but that sounds really useful.

Why have a fission plant for Ten Meter Island when NuclearCraft has fusion reactors?

Fusion needs a lot of startup power.

13:23

Also, U-238 in the plating of some components.

...U-238's the kind you mine from the ground without processing

13:24

You don't need a breeder reactor for that

So it is, silly me.

13:24

Besides that, the fusion stuff is very expensive, and we need more power to run automatic mining stuff.

>"the fusion stuff is very expensive"

I have some cool ultra-compact designs, though.

>We're literally the Eldraeverse Discord. Awesome but Impractical is our motto!

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"Very expensive" = "we literally cannot build even the electromagnetic containment with currently available resources"

A pittance!

13:27

What do you think Digital Miners are for?

We don't have Mekanism, but I assume you mean "automining in general".

>minecraft modpack

13:27

>lacks Mekanism

That takes lots of RF. We only have a single RTG, solar panel, and tree oil setup (which can do 120RF/t peak, but probably only 20 sustained).

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13:28

ah, that's why you need Ten Metre Island!

13:28

Alright then carry on

I think half the power output is going just on keeping our stuff stored and accessible.

yeah

13:29

Power graph would be cool.

13:29

[factorio intensifies]

There are some CC/OC programs for that.

13:29

I wrote one, but don't know if I have it.

How do we accomplish automining in this pack anyways?

13:31

(other than the TBM)

13:31

I've not really delved into that.

- Turtles - RFTools Builder - Probably weird Thaumcraft thing - Botania Orechid

13:32

- IC2 quarry whatever

Damn, 2 chunks by 2 chunks on the IC2 advanced miner.

13:35

It wants 512 EU/t, though.

We can convert EU to RF transparently.

Which is almost the entire power output of TMI.

The ratio's something like 1 EU:4 RF.

Yeah, I noticed that. I was able to charge my flux cap using the generator in my home.

13:36

That's kinda neat.

I have a bunch of designs or metadesigns for high-efficiency low-heat-fuel expensive-components reactors we could use.

Yeah, feel free to revise the design of TMI. I literally ripped that off of the Getting Started page.

What fuel are you using?

LEU-235

13:40

Not sure about the thermal limits of the reactor–hopping on to check now.

It's (probably mostly) always more efficient to use the oxide ones, interestingly. (edited)

13:40

Basically free extra RF, if you ignore the cost of electrolysis, which maybe you shouldn't. (edited)

Anyway, current configuration of TMI is -1480 H/t.

I'll need to look at the heat multiplier and stuff, but it might be possible to run ox on it.

For reference, LEU-235 has a base heat of 50 H/t, and there are eight cells in the reactor.

Query: I'm wanting to build a proper minehead/access tunnel to our mine. Does anyone have a preference for where it would be located?

near the mine

Technically, our entire base is built over the mine.

14:31

I'm more wondering if anyone has a particular area already sticked out for a project or something

I mean, personally, i'd do a 1x1 ladder tube down

I favour the staircasey design.

I'm looking to be building a 33 or 53 tube with staircase and dual rail access

14:42

3x3 or 3x5, rather

14:45

Something that would let us rail out harvested ore instead of hand carrying it like peasants :p

My existing tunnels are 4x3 stone brick ones.

My rationale for a 5 wide 3 tall tunnel is to have space for an up and a down track as well as walkways on the sides.

15:14

Actual underground tunnels would only be 3x3

15:14

At least for mining purposes

I was going to have single-track rail lines in my tunnels, actually.

Yeah, actual tunnels have just single tracks. Just that the up/down part would benefit from being dual tracked, I think

15:17

I'm mainly wanting a cooler/funner/more high volume connection to the 11 level mine tunnels.

15:18

At present I'm slowly boring my way towards the underwater palace.

15:18

Well, I was last night anyhow

Sigh. Struck another vein of 8 diamonds. Still no lapis.

How much lapis do you want/need?

You could use RFTools elevators perhaps.

15:22

The bottom one would need powering, though.

I need 25 lapis.

I could use elevators, yes. But, trains!

Yes, trains indeed. Electric ones?

@TotallyNotHuman go to my factory, second floor, my home spaces. Check the chest in between the tables, left of the entrance

15:24

Just drop off some diamonds :)

I'll trade you 5 to a diamond then?

Trainevators! ( http://railcraft.info/wiki/track:elevator_track )

@Overmind those have issues with coupled cars. Otherwise they're perfect. Hmm.

15:24

Could just have above and below ground train networks...

Also, the TMI tunnel is nearly done, I just need to finish the walls and end piece.

Or go with the launch track and throw your train skyward in stages.

@Xveers Diamonds dropped off. Cheers mate.

@TotallyNotHuman glad to be of service. The diamonds will be used to help make a diamond cutting head :)

:D

@TotallyNotHuman Sorry about the weird playerdata reversion thing. The latest backup was 20 minutes ago, so I used that. Tell me if you crafted anything since then which needs replacing.

I think I made a stack and a half of bread, so I guess you could spawn that back in if you want to. It's not a huge deal to me. I didn't lose anything valuable.

@Xveers Do you mind if I use your railcraft gear to make some electric railway stuff?

Sure!

16:21

I think electric rail needs stone sleepers, though

The batteries appear to also require zinc, which apparently doesn't exist, or is just missing?

16:24

It says here that it appears around Y level 30. Hmm.

Works with wood ties, can confirm.

16:28

Zinc, though, is a pita to find.

The only sensible solution to this is to use the RFTools builder to mine out, say, a chunk or two to bedrock.

16:30

The config says it's more common in mesas, hills and mountains, interestingly.

Remember, comrades, should you see Zinc Ore it is your duty to donate it to the Electric Rail Committee for the good of the people.

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☭

I've a scheme to use an ender tank, a bucket, and an ender chest to make a fully-autonomous turtle, running on the same Nether lava my cave consumes.

You know, I saw a self-replicating turtle program on the CC forums...

17:32

Maybe if I obliterate all land for kilometres around with turtles they'll find zinc!

[von Neumann turtle-destroyer]

I'm tempted to just recipetweak zinc to aluminium or something somehow.

Have we found aluminum? V:

Nope.

with the mods I run for 1.7.10, there's like four different types of Aluminum

If I had immersive engineering we would have bauxite. I didn't add it, though.

That's what Thermal Foundation is supposed to fix.

17:34

But some mods don't defer to it.

* most

Like Railcraft and IC2.

17:35

I think I read in the M&Y book that TCon doesn't generate non-Nether ores anymore.

17:42

The Ore Dictionary and Fluid Registry standardizations were a big deal in their day, but oregen standardization is taking much too long.

Ten Metre Island is online though not actually sending power anywhere.

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@gollark sheep island

Compromise: the power plant itself is TMI. The island is sheep island or whatever.

seconded

We even have an automatic power plant control system. If someone ctrl-t's the program to edit the code without flipping the manual control to off it could even melt!

18:20

(It runs on LEU 235 Ox as a pulse reactor)

so is FTB fun in singleplayer?

18:25

for those of you who have used it before

FTB is not a pack.

18:27

Also, join our cool server.

It's a collection of packs.

18:27

(seconded on the server joinery)

18:27

FTB Ultimate Reloaded is good fun, but I've had to add mods to make it suit my tastes more.

18:28

Also it's far bloatier than @gollark's server's pack.

…Good ol' Minecraft. Just hemorrhage my RAM anywhere and lock my entire machine up, why doncha?

It happens to me lots.

19:39

I do get random freezy crashiness too but I think that's just my GPU dying slightly.

I've never hardcrashed outside of OOM fuckery.

Blame Nvidia™

I saw the stutter, switched to a VT, and saw that I had 400 megabytes of RAM left.

19:40

My bloody DE was being squished into swap.

19:40

And then everything went to hell.

I wonder if I can somehow rebind the power button to "kill highest memory process".

I honestly just need a hotkey that runs killall -9 java.

SysRQ or something would be great if it actually worked.

REISUB?

My smelter/foundry system needs lots of ender pearls. Ender pearls need a closed-loop spawner system. Spawner system for endermen needs to be infused. Infusion needs dimensional shards—lots of them. Dimensional shards are hellishly expensive, unless RFTools dimensions are involved.

Hmm, would you like it to be added?

20:07

Also, they're available in the nether.

Oh, are they?

Somewhat commonly.

20:08

Possibly the end too.

I'll have to go on a nether trip then.

The nether is a great holiday destination.

20:08

I want to make some sort of underlava dome there.

If I can get them in ways other than spending a diamond and an emerald and several other components for every eight, I don't really need RFTools dimensions.

@TotallyNotHuman i'm lazybones

I mean, there's literally an archive of the mods folder but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I try and keep both mods.zip and the github copy of the manifest up to date.

20:54

Usually mods.zip will be ahead for a few minutes since my process is distressingly manual.

I still haven't finished Vanilla!

20:59

>:C

21:01

I've been to the Nether and ridden horses but still not reached the End or enchanted my stuff

21:01

It's an involved process, yanno?1

You cannot "finish" Vanilla.

I haven't fought the enderdragon. >.> I keep getting distracted into trying new things way before then. I'm not very good at this "endgame" stuff

I have found lapis lazuli and a bunch of underground caverns

21:35

STILL NO DIAMONDS

21:35

it drives me nuts

Are you mining around y=11?

also I've been looking for lapis but found none at y=13

21:38

[confusion]

I've had trouble with zinc.

I thought lapis was a bit higher, around 20?

21:39

and then got dropped lower in one of the later official updates

Wiki says 13-16.

21:39

(for optimum yield)

I've been mining around y=7 and 8

21:39

jesus

Check the version history on that.

21:39

Zinc's annoying. I've got this cool electric railway installed, but I can't use it because the RF transformer thing and train require brass and zinc. Which I found none of.

Yeah, I'm not actually entirely certain zinc and aluminum are generating properly.

^

Apparently zinc is meant to be around Y 30.

I think you have to enable generation for yet-ungenerated chunks.

21:41

May be a config for both Zn and Al.

21:41

This could incentivise us to build a mining outpost V:

I'll check the railcraft configs further, I guess.

who knows where ungenerated chunks even are, though

Me, with the power of "looking at the names of region files".

also: 1. pick random direction 2. go at least 2 thousand blocks in said direction

But you'd have to run rails that far.

Not necessarily.

[ender chest intensifies]

I've been thinking of running a rail in my SP campaign and I have the powered rails needed to really make it work

Apparently zinc generates more in mesas and hills if it helps at all. It might just be very far. Quarrying should help.

Problem is it's a steep incline and I'd need to expand my current staircase into a railway station

@TotallyNotHuman did you look at the RFTools quarry thing?

Are they in either of the manuals?

21:43

Or must I craft it first to view the instructions?

Shape card manual, I think.

21:44

Or shape manual. Something like that.

21:44

You need a Builder (to hold the quarry card) and a quarry card (to quarry).

Yeah, I saw that the Library lacked that manual, so I crafted it.

21:45

Also I've donated a Tome of Knowledge and a small instruction book (written by yours truly) on its use, for anyone who's interested :V

What library?

The public library in the base.

The birch room V:

I have somehow missed this.

First floor, uh…

21:47

…northeast corner?

Next to the smeltery and the stairs to Xveers' stuff.

21:48

There are some manuals, some books as a result of goofing around, and Narwhalz' ender tank thing.

It's under XVeer's house.

also has a few stands to put some shiny stuff up on display, should that be desired

22:59

my kinda "goal" is to set up the library and the empty room in front as part of a communal block.

23:00

and have the space out in front where the smeltries are as a sort of pleasant food garden

We now also have automated rail production

01:05

feed in raw oak logs, and you'll get railbed. Feed in rails, and you'll get train track

01:06

though we may have also fully exhausted all the creosote we had built up

also, the TBM has run out of mining bits, but I'll be making a new one shortly. just need more steel

The library is looking pretty nice.

I'm going to run redstone fluxducts, which may work out cheaper since no nickel. (edited)

The Ten Metre Island power line is complete!

07:49

Also, it can do 9kRF/t (the power cabling) per connection, which is nice.

07:51

For some stupid reason the cell back at the base seems to favour drawing from the reactor buffer above using the local power plant, which is irritating.

I've gone to an extreme hills and done a lot of mining. No zinc. Sorely tempted to just spawn some.

At this point it may just be a worldgen option.

I can't find any setting related to it off.

Well, if I can find some diamonds and make a quarry to obliterate a chunk or two, maybe some will turn up.

This is my phyto-gro machine. It will probably break in a few minutes when some ratios get out of balance, and it's drawing something like 200RF/t.

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Gollark bork: phyt phyt

It keeps clogging up with spare maple wood.

Conquer conquer

13:42

Warship warship

No.

hm

SALTIRE STRONK

Can you still make huge mushrooms by bonemealing them?

Possibly.

Since arboreal extractors can make mushroom stew from them.

Interesting. Very interesting.

...not that we don't have enough food already. peers at ~1k bread in AE2net

We can make the bowls automatically too from the stupid amount of wood I keep getting.

Yeah, might alleviate the maple wood clogging.

It makes 108 planks per cycle, and we get one cycle every 20 seconds or so...

That's a lot of planks.

13:47

Feed it into a steam dynamo perhaps? (edited)

13:47

(or really just cache it for later)

I'm planning to. The alternative is something like building one house per minute.

13:47

I hope you like maple, because we have a lot of maple now.

I have the modpack, how2install

What launcher?

i mean the .zip you uploaded

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